In responding to Jim Hartley, with whom I very largely agree, I first reflect on my own experience of teaching Psychology in an institution which was successively college of technology, polytechnic and university. In the second a new and fruitful method of assessing higher education essentially by peer review was developed, only to be destroyed in the third. Psychology teaching has been affected by factors common to the whole sys tem such as increase in numbers particularly of women, enormously greater bureaucracy and control, and changes in funding. This leads me to question the nature and purpose of degrees in Psychology, and to suggest the possibility of radical changes in higher education, not so much to prescribe a realistic solution as to demonstrate the possibility of thinking "outside the box".