This conversation grows out of the book by Terry Edwards and Carl Parsons -- "How to Dismantle the English State Education System in 10 Easy Steps" (Zero Books 2019). The book was written as a satire, ostensibly lauding the achievements of academisation whilst revealing the commercialised, scandal-ridden, chaotic and ineffective nature of the academy landscape in England. Continuing in the style of the book, this is a conversation between the (pretend) CEO of a multi- academy trust (P) and a (very real) combative opponent of the academisation project (E), weighing up both sides of the academisation debate as the claim is made in the latest Education White Paper that 100% per cent academisation is the ideal.