This interview took place at the Language Testing Research Colloquium in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (at the Chateau Laurier Hotel on July 21, 2005), at which Professor Bernard Spolsky was presented with the University of Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate/International Language Testing Association Lifetime Achievement Award. The conference provided a context for the points discussed with Nick Saville and Antony Kunnan, and some references were made to people who presented papers at the conference. In recognition of the award, Professor Spolsky gave a lecture, "On Second Thought," during a symposium entitled "Rethinking Language Testing: Voices From Experience," organized by Mari Wesche. He also made an after-dinner acceptance speech at the conference banquet when the award was made. Some of the issues discussed in the interview were presented in these two talks. (Contains 8 footnotes.)